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EG Webinar: Ukraine’s Energy Rebuild: Investment, Innovation & Risk

by EnergyGigs
Mar 31, 2025
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In this month's EG Webinar, Energy Gigs CEO Jason Assir welcomes Michael Druckman, Managing Director of Trident Forward. Michael has spent over 14 years in Ukraine, focusing on democracy promotion, political risk assessment, and electoral programs. Now, through Trident Forward, he connects investors and innovators to the significant reconstruction opportunities in Ukraine—particularly within the energy sector.

Ukraine is actively rebuilding key infrastructure and driving innovation from distributed energy grids to renewables and biofuels. Michael offers firsthand insights into how local communities, government officials, and international investors can collaborate to shape Ukraine's “build back better” moment.

Key Takeaways

-Companies from Denmark, Turkey, France, and beyond are already on the ground, partnering with Ukrainian communities to restore critical energy infrastructure. Michael emphasizes that now is the time to forge relationships, assess opportunities, and be part of the future Ukraine is creating.

-Decentralized governance in Ukraine has empowered mayors and local officials to co-finance and rapidly deploy projects. Mobile boiler units and other small-scale solutions power hospitals, schools, and municipal buildings.

-Ukraine's vast agricultural sector provides a strong basis for biofuels. Solar and wind energy are also expanding quietly with the help of companies like TIU Canada, which has recently redeployed and scaled up its solar investments.

-While millions of Ukrainians are displaced in Europe, a return flow of skilled labor is expected once a durable ceasefire holds. Engaging now with local authorities and civil society will be essential for long-term success.

What' s Next?
Michael predicts that the future energy mix in Ukraine will heavily rely on innovation—microgrids, advanced renewables, and potentially small modular nuclear reactors. His advice? Don' t wait on the sidelines. As soon as a ceasefire feels more permanent, Ukraine will become “very crowded, very fast” with global investors.

For more on Michael' s work, visit Trident Forward.

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Jason Assir

All right, I believe we are now live. Okay. Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, everyone. My name is Jason Nassir. I am the CEO of Energy Gigs. We have an esteemed guest, Michael Druckmann, managing director of Trident Forward for this month's webinar. Super excited to get into this very, very timely topic with Michael. Michael is an expert in all things Ukraine. He's been living in Ukraine last 14 years, doing a lot of really interesting work, which he can maybe get into. For those of you who have never been on our webinar, we have a Energy Gigs webinar once a month, usually 30 minutes long. Topics range everything from energy rebuild in Ukraine to geothermal to career advice. So excited to have this webinar today. Michael and I go back a couple years. We both were in the Peace Corps in Central Asia. But anyway, super excited to have you, Michael, on the webinar. Michael, if you don't mind, like introduce yourself, tell us a little bit more about what you do at Trident Forward and your background and then we can get into the topic around Ukraine's energy rebuild.

 

Michael Druckman

Well, thank you, Jason. Thank you for having me today. Yeah, a bit about Trident Forward, you know, in this moment, particularly in light of recent events in Ukraine the last few weeks, our firm was established earlier this year looking at how we can bridge that gap between American European investors, capital ideas and innovation with the brave people of Ukraine and what's going to be one of the largest reconstructions since the Second World War. And in particular, navigating the political risk that not only exists now in Ukraine, but is going to persist going forward. So, you know, I know we'll come to this and talk about, and I'm sure folks have seen the recent news about potential ceasefires, but if we actually have a real enduring, durable ceasefire, we're going to have elections in Ukraine. And so there's going to be a whole series of things going on over the next few years that are going to have to be taken into account by those that are interested in Ukraine's reconstruction being on the ground. So our group of experts of Ukrainians, Americans and other international experts who've been doing political risk work in one form or another for the last several decades in Ukraine. We're looking to really service and make sure that Ukraine's reconstruction is successful and a win win both for Ukraine again, investors coming into Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. And then it's by way a bit about my background. Yes, 14 years in Ukraine managing democracy promotion, political risk, electoral programs with a team of Ukrainians and working all across the country. So offices originally in Crimea, but in the city of Dnipro, the city of Odessa, Lviv. And so I've really been focused for the last again, 10 plus years on working with Ukrainian mayors and local governments, on helping them achieve success for not just their citizens, but for their cities.

 

Jason Assir

Wow, that's fantastic, Michael. I mean, I think one question that I have and maybe other people might have on top of mind is, I mean, is it too early to be talking about rebuilding Ukraine, given the dynamics and the ever changing sort of nature of the terrible nature of war? Right. Like, I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Like, you know, for anyone that might have questions around that.

 

Michael Druckman

No, I mean it's, it's already, it's almost too late now. We should be, you know, looking at this and companies have been looking at this earlier and there's still time. I mean, there's no better time than today because we're seeing that from international companies, places like Denmark that are engaged very heavily. The city of Nikolai, of a large port city in Ukraine's south. We see Danish companies very active there. We have, you know, related to energy. We have the announcement just last week of a large Turkish investment in solar energy just to the west of Kyiv. Turkey now probably contributes about 8 to 10% of Ukraine's renewable energy. French companies, very active, but also the American Chamber of Commerce doing a real fantastic job on the ground working with American companies, of course, but seeing again, encouraging them, developing. This is the time to be on the ground, to build those relationships, to assess, to see what can be done, because it is happening. There is reconstruction happening in different forms and fashions across the country.

 

Jason Assir

Wow, that's fantastic. Well, I mean, I think in the top of the call you mentioned, or maybe even backstage, we were talking about just the size of Ukraine and the sheer sort of wealth of resources that Ukraine has and the impact it can have in the global marketplace. I'm curious, from an energy standpoint, what are things that you're looking at in terms of infrastructure? Because I remember at one point you mentioned something about coal, but also obviously the nuclear facility. They generate a lot of electricity. I mean, what are like in terms of infrastructure when you think about new energy infrastructure in Ukraine, what are the top things that you're thinking about?

 

Michael Druckman

So of course there are those big, let's say the big set piece core components of Ukraine's energy mix. Right. Nuclear made up over 50%. You know, in terms of electricity generation, you have obviously a huge issue with power generation. Now where blue almost this time. Last year, Russia, through a series of very targeted strikes, eliminated almost 90% of Ukraine's power generation capacity, targeting thermal generating plants across the country. You have hydropower, those plants have also been targeted. And most famously you had the Kakhovka Dam, if you recall from over a year ago that as Russian forces retreated, they detonated a mine on that dam. So that not only was power generation that was lost, but of course the ecological disaster of the Dnieper river spilling down to the Black Sea. So those are very large complex projects, you know, rebuilding an actual power plant, working with nuclear. I think what's really exciting in Ukraine right now is a lot of the innovation that's happening with a few areas. One, decentralized energy grids. So in Ukraine, local officials have a huge amount of authority and power. And this decentralization of authority that happened after the Euromaidan revolution just over a decade ago. One of the big reforms that Ukraine went through, that Ukraine people have been very happy with. Mayors have much greater tax and spend authority than at any time since Ukraine's post independence period. Citizens can engage with their local governments much more effectively. They're very happy. The survey research we've done shows that Ukrainian cities, their level of satisfaction has really increased year on year, year up until of course, the full scale invasion. All that to say that cities have a lot of authority when it comes to co financing or working with investors on small scale projects. For example, you know, when it comes to solar, wind, working with projects that are going to develop micro grids. And a good example of this is, you know, we just had unfortunately another series of strikes on across Ukraine in the last few days. Every night we have strikes, but we had the targeting of infrastructure in the city of Mykolaiv. The hospital however, was able to continue operating because of mobile boiler units that were provided by a Danish company. So you do see the deployment of smaller scale energy production. You have these decentralized grids that are now developing organically in concert with decentralized governance. So that's another area that's very innovative and successful that I think we'll see a lot more coming out of. And of course the other is biofuels. So working with, you know, Ukraine's very large agricultural sector, the breadbasket of Europe, all that byproduct, coupled with Ukrainian innovation and strong tech background, you're seeing that come together with an array of new fuels and products that can be used that also will help Ukraine with its green recovery, which is something that Ukraine's really been talking about a lot More lately in line with them trying to move into the European Union. So the energy recovery in Ukraine is definitely going to have that tilt towards not just innovation, but a green recovery as well.

 

Jason Assir

I mean, I think that's really, really interesting for all the attendees on the call. I mean, the chat is open so please do ask questions, any questions you might have. I have tons of questions, so I'm going to keep kind of going through mine. I mean in terms of like the idea of build back better, right. I think we like a parallel in my mind is, is Germany post reconstruction where, you know, you know, where they're starting to bury a lot of their transmission lines And I mean what type of things are you like you think will be permanent, like so distributed generation? What have you heard anything about like what that looks like in terms of what they're thinking about to be more, to have more resiliency in across all of their energy infrastructure components.

 

Michael Druckman

So that, I mean the distributed grid is not just something that you know, is being talked about and used, but it's being tested, stress tested daily. So you know, if you're an American company investor or someone looking to partner with a sector in Ukraine that is not just innovative but daily adapting and utilizing new technologies and field testing, what works, what doesn't. You know, there's no better place to be right now than looking at how Ukrainians are adapting and developing different distributed grids across these cities. So that's somewhere that's very innovative. And we talk about, you know, being prepared for natural disasters, you know, overstretching of grids. But in Ukraine, the folks that are on the ground there are daily having to adapt, overcome and are incredibly resilient, particularly from that sector. So that's one. The other again is just the huge deployment of renewables now across Ukraine. Hydropower is something that is again much bigger. That's really going to be something more at a state to state level or involving more international financial institutions. But you know, what we're seeing with things like solar, wind in different parts of the country is you know, really again it's, it's quietly taking off. This is already something that was ongoing before the full scale invasion. But for example, the Canadian company TIU Canada, which worked with a very small solar plant first in the city of Nikopol in the center of the country, they were able to actually evacuate all their solar panels at the beginning of the war. Now they've redeployed them back and have increased their investment. Now they'll be operating I think in the Western regions in Carpathian Mountain region, near the European border with the EU borders and increasing up to 30 megawatts of production. So, you know, you're seeing again, this real flexibility, responsiveness to the adoption of a lot of these new technologies.

 

Jason Assir

That's amazing. That's amazing. I mean, I guess in terms of just your conversations with the Ukrainians in your network there, like, you know, where are they seeing some, some, you know, innovations that they're able to take a little bit more to market? I mean, this decentralized piece is a core part, but, like, is there, I mean, we've seen it in the theater of war in terms of the innovation things that they've been doing with technology. Are you, are you heard of anything that they're doing in terms of terms of energy that is like, maybe could be productized, could be something that Ukraine. Have you heard anything like that, or am I maybe. I'm just, just curious. Like, there's lots of people there.

 

Michael Druckman

Like, absolutely. It's there. It's there. And I think that's one of the, one of the really unique things about Ukraine is that, you know, you can have something happening in one city that is very different than what's being done in another just due to either the set of circumstances, the size of that city. You know, you have cities that are much more close to the front lines that are going to have a different set of ways of adapting to, know, continuing life. You know, how schools operate, how schools, you know, move underground and how they're powered. So you have things, you know, particularly generators and batteries. There's a lot that's happening there. You know, every Ukrainian now is familiar with how to operate a battery powered generator in their home. So, you know, diesel is out. It's all, you know, electric, you know, the ecoflow series of generators. Now we're in second, third iterations. So not just using that technology, but then seeing how it can be reapplied in local context. You have a lot of things that are happening that may be difficult to see if you're just in Kyiv, but getting out and working in some of these and visiting some of these communities and seeing how they're overcoming different sets of challenges, particularly wintertime challenges are different than summer. A lot of folks think that while it's summer, you know, we don't worry about the heating season. It should be much easier, actually. The air conditioning systems, you know, use up a huge amount of energy. I think we know that here. But you feel it when you're in Ukraine in the summer and you have rolling blackouts. And so how folks adapt to those periods of, you know, not just the blackout period, but then how can we get batteries to accumulate energy during those periods where we're not using them? So that when we do have those rolling blackouts, so those efficiencies with smart grid technology, that's also something that we've seen just by necessity, taking off across Ukraine.

 

Jason Assir

Wow. You know, I guess maybe this is a two part question, but the first part of it, I guess is, you know, legacy industries. And I hesitate even to say nuclear is a legacy industry because it's seeing a little bit of a resurgence. But, but like coal for example. I know at one point you mentioned something about the Donbas and like, so are those industries still there? And they're still, you know, do they have a future in the new Ukraine after, you know, in the rebuild?

 

Michael Druckman

It's complex because again, right now where the front line is, much of that coal producing region is currently on the other side of that front line. But keep in mind that obviously that's a depleting resource. A lot of the coal and the types of coal you have in Ukraine, either it was being shipped off outside the country to places that are using, let's say, a lower quality type of coal, or it was only fitting into Ukrainian power plants that were designed for that Donbas type of coal. So I think as Ukraine continues to move towards renewables, they have various Paris Agreement commitments. Coal, certainly not the future, but shale gas, interestingly I think has quite a bit of promise in Ukraine, particularly because one of the largest shale deposits in Ukraine is in the west of the country. Chevron was working there actively in the early 2000s until I believe about 2012, 13, but looking to develop that, unfortunately they had zero presence at the local level, working with the municipalities where that shale gas field was located. And so you had a lot of local resistance to exploration and drilling. So there was very little education. Chevron didn't reach out and work with communities there to talk about what they were planning to do. And so a lot of, say ecological groups and civil society really led a protest movement in various communities to pass local legislation preventing Chevron from working in their communities. So that that's all still there. That hasn't changed. So between that and also the incredible gas storage potential Ukraine has, I believe over 30 billion cubic meters of natural gas storage is available in Ukraine. So that's also something that Europe will certainly benefit from going forward as well. Again, balancing out usage and storage, particularly with the winter months. That's another big advantage Ukraine has.

 

Jason Assir

So I guess for any. Oh, we got a question. So I'll hold off. So solar and wind is big Capex. Are these investments insured with risk, war risks to cover? This is from Rich.

 

Michael Druckman

So this is obviously the big, the big hurdle in a lot of across a lot of reconstruction is war risk insurance. So we are seeing EBRD coming in in a big way, obviously working more with European companies to either ensure or come up with ways to spread the risk out by becoming an actual equity partner in some of these projects. Turkish firms have, you know, obviously strong backing from their banking sector to be engaged. They also have a very strong association, a business association on the ground. So that is something that, you know, obviously has to be thought through. There are much more opportunities now in terms of war risk insurance that is being offered than let's say in 2022, 2023. And I think this is another area where we could see the DFC and IFC from the United States also playing a greater role. But obviously that takes time. And so, you know, if you're looking right now, you really need to be engaging because to line that up and engage with those institutions, you know, that project has to be elaborated, you have to have counterparties. So that all does take time, but they are there.

 

Jason Assir

Okay. No, that's great, great question, Rich. Thank you. I guess going to the idea of the shale, I mean, so I guess for any enterprising wildcatter out there, it maybe now's the time to reach back out to those communities and is that sort of, you know, see if you can, you can operate on the local level. Is that sort of the goal? Like, I mean, not the goal, but the good strategy for it going forward is to find someone like yourself and work on the local level with counterparts there.

 

Michael Druckman

It's certainly, it's critical, it's critical to success because you're going to have to be engaging at some point. You know, even if you're starting out at, let's say, a national level or, or working out, working through Kyiv, the capital, you're at some point going to be installing something, building something, or working with someone from a local community. And those communities, again, have incredible political power, which is a great thing because those individuals are empowered. That mayor, that city council, those local civic groups, they're quite empowered. So engaging with them is going to help buffer you through the project that you're implementing. So yes, absolutely. Working, working through with local authorities, you know, with, with shale, you know, it's, it's going to be one of those things where you're going to be working with a group of communities that are going to have a very different, say, post war reconstruction outlook. They're not, there's not going to be rebuilding of their cities because they've by and large avoided the largest damage. There's no front line going through those communities if we're talking specifically about the western shale gas fields. So they're not going to benefit from a lot of money or investment or rebuilding cost. But at the same time they're going to still be under the same, let's say, macroeconomic pressures of unemployment, you know, people looking for those economic opportunities. So now might be the time to engage in those discussions because then you're looking at, you know, creating jobs, local economic benefits for those communities that a decade ago when they were not properly discussed or engaged with, were missed.

 

Jason Assir

Yeah, I mean, you know, I think it's a, you know, talking about talent and sort of, you know, engineering talent, whether it's, or, or technical talent. Like, are you, are you hearing from the, you know, the people that you've worked with? Like, are. I know a lot. There was a bit of a diaspora to, into Poland. Like, are people moving back? Has that already started happening where talent is coming back into the country? I know talent not, I mean, obviously not all talent has left. I mean people were fighting obviously as well. But curious to know, like, get a sense of that, like, what, what does that look like and what have you.

 

Michael Druckman

Heard, you know, so you have approximately 6 million Ukrainians that are now in European Union countries or the United Kingdom, not counting those that came to Canada or the United States, but right there. And of course the majority are concentrated in Poland and Germany, the Czech Republic and then you have Spain, Ireland and Italy as well. Folks go back and forth. But you know, when you survey, and we surveyed for a long time Ukrainians in Ukraine about their relatives or friends and family who had left because of the full scale invasion, you do see the tendency that those folks want to wait until either we have a full ceasefire and the war is over, their home is rebuilt. In many cases, those that went initially their, their communities were devastated, particularly in the east and the north. And then it's looking at job and economic opportunities. So this is something, you know, when you're talking with the Ukrainian government, you know, they're of course very interested in having as many of their citizens return those European countries that took in graciously all these millions of Ukrainians during those opening, the opening weeks of the war. Of course they're under local domestic political pressure to, to, you know, have a final, let's say a settlement of either we're going to integrate skilled workers into our, into our labor force or they're going to eventually go back and we won't have to, you know, continue the social payments and other schemes. So that economic development piece for Ukrainian communities is a great way for them again to ensure that at least they're doing their best to have their local citizens return back. So in terms of talent, you know, again, post Covid, Ukraine went from COVID right into full scale war. So working remotely, engaging online, you know, the experience that the particularly Ukrainian talent has right now in Europe is invaluable. Those connections, those relationships that are being built that can be leveraged going forward, but those that are on the ground in Ukraine, again, the resiliency that you see from folks that are still developing businesses, you know, we're not even talking about defense military tech that could also have applications again when it comes to engineering in the energy field as well. But they know that are going out there starting businesses, attracting venture capital, funding, road showing products. So again, it's an incredible community of folks to work with in Ukraine right now that are doing all of this with not a single night of uninterrupted sleep in almost three years.

 

Jason Assir

It's amazing. Yeah. Well, I have, I think one more question, but I'll pause for just a second in case anyone else has any questions on the call. So please do get it in. I guess the question, you know, putting like forecasting, you know, you know, what it would look like maybe in 10 years, assuming that the ceasefire holds and incrementally more ceasefire, more components of a full ceasefire come into place and, you know, Ukraine gets sort of reconstruction. Right. What, what, what do you think the energy mix will look like for Ukraine going forward in the future? Like, what if you could just, you know, kind of look, looking ahead, what do you, what do you, what do you see?

 

Michael Druckman

Well, I think you're exactly right, Jason. I mean, it's a mix. I mean, you really have the full mix in Ukraine. Right. This isn't a one power plant.

 

Jason Assir

Yeah.

 

Michael Druckman

Country or one sector. So, you know, Hydro I would expect to see come back, particularly as advances are made in the technology with a number of other large rivers Ukraine has. But you also coming back to nuclear. It's not just the nuclear plants that, you know, Westinghouse has been now the provider for, but looking at the small modular reactors and that technology, I mean, it's far too early to really talk about that in reality on the ground in Ukraine. But again, you have a country second only to France on the European continent with experience working in nuclear and so a great candidate country and sector to engage with that emerging technology. So I think what you're going to see is you're still going to see that, let's say that mix being used. I think you're going to see a big increase in biofuels, biochar you're going to see but a lot of things springing off. Right. So from nuclear you're going to get that smart technology piloted for sure. For looking down the road when it comes to hydro, when it comes to distributed grid technology that is smart and responsive, creating huge efficiencies and again benefiting from three years full scale war experience and winters that are, that are not mild. And so, you know, it's, it's, there's something for everyone. I would say when it comes to, if you're looking at the future of energy in Ukraine, you're going to see it.

 

Jason Assir

No, well, fantastic. Well, I think just in our remaining minutes, I mean you've got yourself, I mean you found it a really interesting firm. Like what? You know, if someone, how does someone, how does one get into the field that you're into? Like, what can you tell us just going back into your career a little bit? Like, how did you get into the space? I mean it's interesting work. You know, if someone wanted to do similar things, obviously we're going to try to. If anyone wants to reach out to Mike after the call, after the webinar, we'll connect you directly. But if you don't mind sharing a little bit about. Like what, like how did you find yourself in this sort of sector, in this niche?

 

Michael Druckman

Well, I mean, I think it's, you know, first of all, it's curiosity to go outside and get outside the US that started with, you know, being a Peace Corps volunteer and volunteering to go to a very remote place in Central Asia. And I benefited from, you know, I was in a language group that we were taught Russian, which we all thought was a language that was not going to be used anymore. This is not really relevant. And so finding myself back in, in Ukraine years later and thinking this is only going to be for a few years and you know, not just falling in love with the country and finding it so fascinating from its history, geography, how varied the country is, where you go and travel, but that it was always exciting, there's always something happening. And so, you know, it was always changing. And so, you know, then you look back and realize it's been, it's been 14 years and again to be working alongside people that, you know, went through the Euromaidan revolution where they, you know, they removed a dictatorship, a thugocracy and an oligarchy because they wanted to be free members of the, not just of the European Union, but to be recognized as the Europeans they are. And again, that's, you know, that's such, the sad thing with the full scale war is that it's because of that, that of course the Russians can't tolerate having a European democracy on their doorstep that is able to speak the same language as their repressed citizens. So it's just a very inspiring place to work. And again to see that they continue to innovate, continue to see a future for their children and their families there and how proud they are of their country and the democracy that they've built. It's a, it's, it's a, it's a hard place to leave. So, no, we're very excited right now. Our team at Trident Forward to again share that, you know, folks are interested in exploring what Ukraine reconstruction is really going to look like and what those opportunities are. You can't do that sitting in the United States. You need to, you need to go, you need to meet people, you need to engage and build those relationships. And I think particularly for the American energy sector, you know, if you're looking to wait, the folks that will be showing up, as soon as there is a full ceasefire, you're going to be, it's gonna be a very crowded place with not just the Chinese, but we're going to see Gulf States as well. It's going to be very crowded very fast. So go now, make connections, assess for yourself and at least, you know, and you're engaged and can follow along, but you've got to really go and meet Ukrainians.

 

Jason Assir

Oh, that's awesome. Well, we, we do have one more question. And time for one more question. So again from Richard. Has the loss of USAID funding impacted delivery of the Energy Security Project, the Tetra Tech ESB, and also Spark?

 

Michael Druckman

For the moment, yes. I mean, that's across the board. In Ukraine, all of that funding has been suspended pending this review. Most programs and projects have been terminated. It's not clear how some of those, let's say, really critical programs, particularly the project being referenced here, may be, let's say, refolded into a new energy support program run not through USAID, but through the U.S. embassy, a State Department but no, this is really, unfortunately at this moment this is a big, big blow to a lot of those Americans that were supporting Ukrainians across those sectors and the international partners that were engaged there. So yes.

 

Jason Assir

Mike, what is that project for those maybe that don't know what is the energy?

 

Michael Druckman

The Tetra Tech, this was one of the programs that was looking to actually provide, you know, it wasn't necessarily like a technical assistance. This was real assistance for the Ministry of Energy in providing equipment components, particularly with winterization as well being prepared for. Again it's April next week. So that is traditionally when Ukrainians begin preparing for, at a government level for gas storage in particular. But being looking ahead towards winterizing, what we call the heating season because that is still something that is very much that part in Ukraine is still quite centralized when the heating season as we call it begins. So this is just one of those projects that was, you know, was doing very specific, concrete things in the energy sector to support them and this would be a great time for them to be fully active.

 

Jason Assir

Interesting. Is there, I know we're over time so I'll ask one last question, but is there an opportunity for private sector to step in and help here?

 

Michael Druckman

Absolutely. And you know, if you were to speak with Ukraine's, they would say they would love to be partnering with Americans in this, that would be their preferred partner. And again, you know, we can another time talk all about the politics of things and what's going on, but at a people to people level, that engagement, you know, it's just, it's not just critical but you know, those relationships that are there and can be built upon, you know, you'll find that Ukrainians do want to engage, particularly because there is so much American innovation when it comes to things like we haven't even talked about LNG and what's going on there that you know, there's a real recognized expertise here, shale gas, you know, complimentary lessons learned when it comes to, you know, what's working in the renewable space. So there's a lot of partnerships that I think Ukrainians would like to see more of and engage with because of that, you know, American expertise.

 

Jason Assir

No. Well, fantastic. I think we're going to have to leave it there. Michael, if someone wants to get in touch with you and contact you about your work in Ukraine and get involved somehow, either commercially or in other capacity, what's the best way for them to contact you?

 

Michael Druckman

So contact me personally@michaeltridentforward.com or visit us on our website at tridentforward.com as well as our LinkedIn page where we put out quite a bit of content these days.

 

Jason Assir

Okay, awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing your insights. Really great to have you on. Thank you, everyone, for joining this month's webinar. We have one more webinar coming up next month, and it's going to be on Project Violent Violet. It's going to be about how to, you know, upskill your, your consulting team, upskill yourself so that you can win more clients as a consultant. So really excited. Again, thank you, Michael, so much for having you on. Thank you, Erin, for attending. We'll look forward to seeing you all next month. Bye.

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